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Post by shatter2 on Jan 31, 2019 10:10:26 GMT
it's all over 'Outlaws' greeno. The more intelligent comments from reliable posters say it can only be interpreted as on competition grounds and is therefore irrelevant. Or political grounds which is also irrelevant. As someone mentioned if Luton had two Tory MPs they wouldn't have submitted their objections.
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Post by greeno on Jan 31, 2019 10:23:28 GMT
Thanks Dave and Steve. I can chill then?
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Post by Lake on Feb 1, 2019 8:09:58 GMT
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Post by maggiechow on Feb 1, 2019 11:17:45 GMT
Excellent article 🙂
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Post by offpat on Feb 12, 2019 13:49:08 GMT
So come March 11th we have what looks like the biggest fixture of the season - I wish it was as simple as a cup game where we could just knock our opponents (C&R) out, and wave them bye bye as they float away into a dark culvert headed for the sewage works.
There will of course be much celebration if the council approve Newlands Park - and I think they will, even if confidence is not as high as it was for Power Court, we must have some faith in the fact that officers and councillors can follow the logic of Power Court being such an expensive site to develop that it has to be done in partnership with a profit heavy companion development. That there would be no point in approving Power Court only to deny Newlands Park...but I fear that technically they have to treat them as entirely separate and C&R know this, which is why they kept their powder dry when it came to the Power Court committee meeting.
The concern is that it is far easier to pick holes in the idea that Newlands Park will be as profitable as it needs to be - and I feel sure that C&R will bring in "experts" to point out that this is a risky venture in its own right.
I have faith - and we all have to have faith, that Gary and 2020 have done all the necessary work to demonstrate that the developments are sound and will survive the vagaries of the current economic state of threats of ongoing uncertainty... But I am aware that planning processes - even if the whole project is approved by the Council on 11th March, as I believe it will be - do not just run smoothly ahead... Anyone can appeal against the decision - within 6 months. and knowing C&R's history they will take their time and lodge their appeal 5 months and 29 days after the decision. They are nothing if not scummy negative bastards. The bit that I can't find the precise guidance on is what happens if a council dismisses such an appeal and then the appellant wishes to take it further...
My understanding is that, if they lose that appeal to the Council, they can still appeal to the secretary of state, currently James Brokenshire, not an entity that fills me with confidence in his Solomon-like judging abilities. However, he is law trained, has no registered interests in home counties property companies and is as likely to be pro Luton having a developed future as any other politician...and by the time the sec of state is possibly going to be called on it is likely to be an entirely different person anyway...
But it all adds up to delays. The secretary of state would not "speed read" all the material in less than 3 months,
So my feeling - is that if it all goes well, The earliest we will have a definite go ahead is very likely to still be over a year away...
Gary may know better!
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Post by maggiechow on Feb 12, 2019 13:58:22 GMT
C&R have already got a tame consultant to say that NP is 'not viable'. Which is a bit shooting themselves in the foot as they can't complain about Impact if that's so.
We can but hope.
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Post by rutlandhatter on Feb 13, 2019 15:11:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 16:26:35 GMT
That is exactly right Rutland. No objector can appeal - only seek Judicial Review and, then, only if the process has been allegedly not pursued properly. Objector (C&R) may not seek JR on straightforward planning grounds, or if they simply do not like the decision. Further objectors cannot influence decision whether or to call in for review by Sec of State (James Brokenshire). That is purely a decision for him, as advised by his civil servants, when any major decision passed by LBC is submitted as it has to be, for “rubber stamping” approval as not in conflict with wider (central government) policy.
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Post by Jeros on Feb 13, 2019 16:46:33 GMT
Great post Rutland
As far as I am concerned approval is not an issue. It will be approved. Its not in competition with C&A they are a shopping centre. Not a Retail park. As far as I know, no Hotel group has objected. The land is unused at the moment, no issues with development. eg getting rid of existing buildings Roads system is already in place. The whole plan is out of town.
What else can be objected to ?
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Post by rutlandhatter on Feb 13, 2019 17:20:46 GMT
Is it a greenfield site? That might be a basis to refuse. However, it has been in the approved Local Plan for some time as land to be developed (originally for the football stadium!) which makes refusal on greenfield grounds more difficult. I understand the planning officers are likely to recommend approval.
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Post by Jeros on Feb 13, 2019 19:06:25 GMT
I just can not see how Luton council will object to this proposal to improve the town.
Any councillor that does, well what do they want for the town?
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Post by rutlandhatter on Feb 14, 2019 10:51:00 GMT
I hate to be cynical (at this point I'd insert laughing smiley faces if I knew how!)but there are elections for Luton Council in May!!!
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Post by offpat on Feb 14, 2019 10:57:37 GMT
I hate to be cynical (at this point I'd insert laughing smiley faces if I knew how!)but there are elections for Luton Council in May!!! but I am guessing that should work to our advantage? - the whole project is one where the number of voters who are for the project is unprecedented in planning history - any councillor who wishes to be re-elected would be incredibly foolish to be the councillor who was seen to be against this development.
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Post by shatter2 on Feb 14, 2019 13:31:09 GMT
I hate to be cynical (at this point I'd insert laughing smiley faces if I knew how!)but there are elections for Luton Council in May!!! but I am guessing that should work to our advantage? - the whole project is one where the number of voters who are for the project is unprecedented in planning history - any councillor who wishes to be re-elected would be incredibly foolish to be the councillor who was seen to be against this development. True but how many "Town" supporters actually vote in LBC elections.
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Post by 8two on Feb 14, 2019 15:08:37 GMT
but I am guessing that should work to our advantage? - the whole project is one where the number of voters who are for the project is unprecedented in planning history - any councillor who wishes to be re-elected would be incredibly foolish to be the councillor who was seen to be against this development. True but how many "Town" supporters actually vote in LBC elections. Not too important Steve, for when they are up for election I'm sure that #saveourtown representatives will ensure that the voters in all the wards will know whether their candidates are for or against the Newlands proposal. And realistically how stupid would they be to oppose new jobs being generated and new revenue in the town's coffers.
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