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Post by ickle on Mar 11, 2019 21:56:42 GMT
Save Our Town?
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Post by 8two on Mar 11, 2019 22:20:40 GMT
of course, it's late, thanks Ickle
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Post by rutlandhatter on Mar 12, 2019 10:04:34 GMT
Well, common sense prevailed and well done to absolutely everyone from 2020 to the individuals who wrote to the Council about these applications. I only found out when I got home from my Council meeting last night and what a wonderful late night tonic it was. Now we've to get the detailed plans passed but the hard work, establishing the principle, has been done. Those going to Bradford tonight; don't celebrate too hard! COYH
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Post by bms on Mar 12, 2019 10:42:37 GMT
If anyone has the time or inclination to now briefly summarise the current state of progress and what lies ahead before completion, or to point to a source that provides an impartial synopsis of the latter, it would be much appreciated.
And yes, well done to 2020 and all campaigners for getting us this far.
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Post by rutlandhatter on Mar 12, 2019 11:42:45 GMT
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Post by rutlandhatter on Mar 12, 2019 11:48:22 GMT
Gary's Sweet's comments after the meeting explain a lot of what happens next, bms. www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2019/march/gary-quotes/ and, like him, I'm not worried about a potential judicial review (which can only happen if the correct process wasn't followed. As to call-in, whilst there are no real grounds under the regulations we are dealing with politicians here (Secretary of State) and they have been known to be fickle!
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Post by biggleshatter on Mar 12, 2019 11:58:03 GMT
My understanding of the situation is as follows. Planning permission has now been granted for the Newlands Park enabling development with conditions and legal agreements to be sorted. While the barrister present stressed that members would have to treat the application on its merits, the conditions approved would require the stadium (which received pp last month) to be built to a certain level before any units at Newlands could be let or sold (whatever). The main issue in my view is that of cash flow - ie much of the stadium will have to be constructed before there was any income generated by the Newlands units. In addition of course 2020 also have to find founders for Newlands. I am sure that 2020 have this in their business plan.
All of this is subject to two further considerations - whether the Secretary of State decides to call in the application for his consideration because it might not conform to the local plan or any other planning matters (which I am hopeful have been addressed by 2020, its consultants and the Council), and more seriously whether there is a request from objectors (eg C and R or MKBC) for a judicial review on the grounds that the Council did not follow procedures or the law. Gary Sweet is not too concerned about this as he says he can’t do anything about it, but it remains a factor that might delay things. Incidentally Gary’s statement in the press this morning summarises the situation much better than me.
Credit to 2020, its consultants, and all those involved in the process. Everybody has had to be very careful that all procedures were met, all t’s crossed and i’s dotted, and in particular the Borough Council, who from the outset appear to have been very supportive. Many contributors to the live feed last night were frustrated by the apparent time that was taken to consider this and the previous application, both in the lead-in and at the meeting, but when you have C and R and others hovering in the background, you have to leave no stone unturned.
Let’s not think that we’ll be watching the town at Power Court in the near future - these issues have to be addressed, there is a worry about the economy, Brexit might affect things, etc but I am hoping that we shall all be there in 3 or 4 seasons, hopefully in the Championship or Premier League. It’s been a long time since the Charles Buchan mentioned a new ground for Luton in 1960!
Anyway that’s my interpretation, but I am sure that others may have a slightly different take.
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Post by biggleshatter on Mar 12, 2019 12:09:52 GMT
Yes of course Rutlandhatter is correct and detailed plans now have to be submitted, but I guess the outline planning application dealt with things in more detail than usual
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Post by rutlandhatter on Mar 12, 2019 14:13:27 GMT
Yes, Biggles, in far more detail than is normally the case. Also, the thoroughness of Luton Council's officers, including in detail the explanation of "declarations of interest" in the minutes of the Power Court meeting, tell me that everyone involved has done everything they can to dot every i and cross every t to make sure there is no case for judicial review. And I still doubt there will be a call-in as I can't see what national significance there is in either site. www.gov.uk/government/collections/planning-applications-called-in-decisions-and-recovered-appeals although I guess a good lawyer might find one!
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Post by offpat on Mar 24, 2019 11:08:00 GMT
I am feeling confident, mainly because of the extra time spent on detail (which is usually reserved for the detailed application) - and this work was done because this was such a large and important set of developments - if they are sane (a dubious contention) C&R will not want to waste their money on what would clearly be a futile judicial review...
just to be clear - the review would cost C&R a significant sum of money - it could also cost the Council in the region of £200K to defend it - which they have said they would do strongly. The care taken over the process means that it would not stand a chance and C&R would have only succeeded in alienating EVERYONE in the council and probably every Lutonian that they hadn't managed to piss off already...
If they have lawyers looking after C&R interests rather than the fees they might earn, then those lawyers would know all this and say - "run away from this and live to fight another day... the shares are at half the value they had before you started fighting these plans, it's over - just stop it".
I wrote to C&R suggesting this point in much more businesslike language, and included mentioning what a great opportunity it was to get some long lost popularity and business opportunity from through-flow of the extra footfall that Power Court will bring, by quickly, before deadline, publicly disavowing a judicial review and giving backing to the whole project... (a shot that cost me nothing)
I cannot see the pro-business and ex corporate lawyer, James Brokenshire, calling this in as "against regional plans" either. 6 months to bulldozers? - possibly
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Post by Lake on Apr 9, 2019 12:34:12 GMT
Wonderful news.
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Post by mutleyltfc on Apr 9, 2019 15:54:16 GMT
Certainly seem to be running out of obstacles...sounds good
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Post by offpat on May 13, 2019 12:58:04 GMT
anyone ready to bet that Capital and Dismal have taken their only possible legal advice and decided to STFU about Newlands Park?
I think the time period for a judicial review is 6 weeks and applies to when the permission was granted - well that's 8 weeks gone now.
and I don't think they can complain about detailed planning permission either, unless Luton 2020 seek significant variance from original plans. I am going to call it and you can bet against me if you like (I'll offer odds) WE HAVE NO FURTHER OBSTACLES - 2020 own the land, clearance work has already begun. Boy would I like to see a good time-lapse sequence of both developments rising up.
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Post by maggiechow on May 13, 2019 13:55:12 GMT
It's 6 weeks from when the s106 (not sure what that is, something to do with more detailed plans) goes in.
Gary was hoping it would all be in hand by the start of the new season.
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Post by rutlandhatter on May 16, 2019 17:40:19 GMT
S106, or more accurately the planning obligation, is the agreement between the local authority and developer about the contribution the developer will make to the authority/community. Typically it will be the construction of new roads needed by the scheme, a new school is the scheme is a housing development, or funding a bus service for a few years for an out of town shopping centre --that type of thing. It is called s106 because it is section 106 of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990. And if you want to read it ... www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/8/section/106
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