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Post by Wimbo on May 3, 2020 15:26:45 GMT
Interesting thoughts from those selfish folk in the Premier League. It seems that a number of clubs are open to the prospect of playing the remaining games BCD on neutral turf provided that relegation from the premier league does not take place. If that holds for the premier then maybe then that holds for the Championship? Link: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52517532 |
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Post by melbournehatter on May 4, 2020 2:07:47 GMT
Leeds will not accept that unless they get promoted, along with someone else.
It will also take quite a bit of arranging because with two extra teams in the PL there will be many more games to play, therefore a longer season or a great increase in midweek games. If it is still BCDF then there is a huge expense in travel etc costs.
And if our football is going ahead, we must assume the Champions League and EUEFA Cup will be on, so even more congestion.
For the Championship, things might be easier, two less teams means less games, so less mid week and less travel costs.
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Post by clappers on May 4, 2020 4:33:31 GMT
For the Championship, things might be easier, two less teams means less games, so less mid week and less travel costs. Hi Mel, Not sure that there would be two less teams in the Championship in 20/21. Would there not be one or more clubs being promoted from L1 to balance out the two going up to the PL? |
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Post by Wimbo on May 4, 2020 8:55:02 GMT
There are a number of options for ending the season and if we follow the “no relegation” completion of the Premier season to satisfy the likes of Sky/BT yet without playing any further Championship, L1 & L2 games:
No movement (promotion or relegation) from the EFLs Championship, L1 or L2
Top two in each league go up & no relegation: Fulham, Portsmouth, Sunderland sue the EFL?
The relegation of clubs in the bottom 2 or 3 places: then lots more unhappy clubs including Luton who were in fine form with 9 games to go.
Take the league position at 23 games when each team has played each other to decide the final placings: can’t see that as a starter to be honest.
I am sure there are also other options but for me, the most sensible thing is to simply void the season.
Turning to cup competitions for 2020/21, will there be any sense in attempting to run any of the cup competitions in the normal way and having a final played in an empty Wembley Stadium? The FA Cup is a difficult one as so many small non-league clubs right down the pyramid gain valuable funding to keep them going by taking part in the preliminary & qualifying rounds.
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Post by offpat on May 4, 2020 9:10:53 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52507779the way the BBC are reporting this makes it sound as though the Championship might be decided upon by a computer algorithm, using historic form - not current. completely unsatisfactory to me, and not just because it makes Luton relegated without any acknowledgement of more recently finding some winning feet at home. That same form issue applies at the top end as well. agree that they couldn't possibly run "simulated play-offs." so the "just missing out" clubs will have legal advisers saying to sue for loss of potential income. history shows that season long form can be destroyed by greater will power on the day... and while I'd rather they said: top and bottom 2 - as of right now - get promoted / relegated - no play-offs and no alteration of numbers in each division. ... It's still unfair, of course it is, but not some nonsense assumptions run by professors who couldn't park a bicycle. I would, however, as Wimbo, rather void the season, it feels fairer overall. "We go again" and as for the cups - they have to wait IMO, until crowds can be deemed safe. No one is going to be immune from massive financial hardship.
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Post by Wimbo on May 4, 2020 9:19:09 GMT
If we look at starting next season and indeed the whole 2020/21 season, I think it’s odds on that the whole season will be played behind closed doors. Surely until a proven widely available Covid vaccine is available, crowds squashed up against one another won't be permitted: I doubt I would feel comfy attending. Hopefully, the EFL will come up with a sensible arrangement with the likes of iFollow to allow season ticket holders and “pay per match” supporters to watch both home and away games. That would satisfy our watching the game need (yes, I know no atmosphere) and bring very valuable funds into the clubs. In fact, the clubs would have a reduced match day costs due to crowds not attending etc. I hear some ask “what about the perks for a diamond season ticket holder”; easy, the club arrange free domino pizza home delivery or something for a game in the season.  |
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Post by offpat on May 4, 2020 13:58:36 GMT
If we look at starting next season and indeed the whole 2020/21 season, I think it’s odds on that the whole season will be played behind closed doors. Surely until a proven widely available Covid vaccine is available, crowds squashed up against one another won't be permitted: I doubt I would feel comfy attending. Hopefully, the EFL will come up with a sensible arrangement with the likes of iFollow to allow season ticket holders and “pay per match” supporters to watch both home and away games. That would satisfy our watching the game need (yes, I know no atmosphere) and bring very valuable funds into the clubs. In fact, the clubs would have a reduced match day costs due to crowds not attending etc. I hear some ask “what about the perks for a diamond season ticket holder”; easy, the club arrange free domino pizza home delivery or something for a game in the season. loving the free pizza idea - but it touches on one of the problems - clubs will lose money from crowds not being there paying for hospitality, a lot of staff will be needed but a whole bunch will have to remain furloughed... I think with the government already hinting that the 2m rule is going to be scrapped within a month or two we may progress to temperature checks and face masks and allowing every alternate seat filled. But even that would be massively problematic - Pubs are saying that reopening but with restrictions as to how many people and how crowded they can be, will make them go bust faster than just staying closed. |
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Post by Ashfordhatter on May 4, 2020 14:40:41 GMT
Personally, I think most of us know that the big money club's in the Premiership will win out in the end, purely due too vast sums of money which at the end of the day will determine the eventual outcome of this debate and subsequently determine the outcome for all.
So much for DEMOCRACY !
Live long and prosper
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Post by proudhattersince74 on May 4, 2020 14:50:14 GMT
I hear some ask “what about the perks for a diamond season ticket holder”; easy, the club arrange free domino pizza home delivery or something for a game in the season.
Dominos pizzas? Surely as they would be trying to replicate the game experience, the diamond menu would consist of Bovril (in a paper cup with a lid that doesn't fit properly) and Pukka pie (cooked long before the calendar year started and continually heated and re-heated until it submits to dehydration). Bon appetite!
Maybe Australia's finest dishwater could be offered in 5 litre drums if there was a need to watch the game completely sober.
I've scribed before that my main concern about streamed matches is how much each respective club actually receives from the streaming company. The EFL have an agreement with iFollow but, as I understand it, their feed can be a bit iffy at times. As all matches are beamed back to Sky, I'd rather watch an uninterrupted programme from them ... even if it is Sky! But that wish carries the caveat that the clubs receive high percentages of the revenue.
There is an argument that the clubs may even be better off financially: if a large club (eg Leeds in The Championship) took up the stream of a game at KR then Luton may benefit far more because instead of receiving money from 1500 fans in the Oak Road, the stream may be watched by more than 10000 away fans. The hurdle here is for the away club to accept that the home team should get the lion's share (not all) of the total revenue, as would happen where they keep all home income. There's no point in this if the away club's iFollow account means the home club gets nowt from the away fans.
I fully expect a sh1tload of sports to get into bed with Amazon and Netflix once they can return if they're going to be played in empty stadia.
Long road to recovery for football but even longer for many (most?) other sports where income is even less predictable.
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Post by Lake on May 5, 2020 11:04:24 GMT
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Post by Wimbo on May 5, 2020 12:21:27 GMT
A splendid read Steve: I have so much respect and admiration for National League football. I admit the ball goes out of play a heck of a lot but I think our fans enjoyed some splendid welcoming away games in so many towns. |
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Post by bms on May 5, 2020 12:35:06 GMT
Thanks Lake - refreshing to finally read a football person who gets this - there will be no football, and that includes behind closed doors, for a very long time. All reports to the contrary are simply a sport in denial, posturing and speculating to sustain their interests. What is the problem with understanding this? of course the Prem/EFL etc don’t want to face up to making a decision on how 2019/20 ends but the sooner they do, they begin to join the world that most of us are now inhabiting. good opportunity for New Zealand to start the 2020 World Cup - featuring just themselves! Gives them a reasonable chance of success 😀 |
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Post by proudhattersince74 on May 5, 2020 12:39:52 GMT
Lake, thanks for the link.
Clearly the 'suits' in non-league are as responsive and decisive as those running the EFL, EPL and FA. There must be a mould somewhere that they all fall out of to spout the same soundbites without saying anything. Those authorities, together with Gordon Taylor's PFA (yes, Gordon Taylor's plaything, not necessarily the union originally set up for the benefit of the players), will spectate many clubs' demise ... the phrase "Nero fiddling while Rome burns" springs to mind.
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Post by hattersussex on May 5, 2020 16:12:17 GMT
However many games were left in each league, take the average ( current ) form from that last number of games...add the points on to their total when the leagues were stopped...and then award the prizes...I'm sure Liverpool will still win the Premiership !...Haven't got a clue who would have been promoted or relegated...can't be bothered to work it out !
I think it will be a great opportunity to restructure the leagues, put realistic players wage caps on the E.F.L's and possibly bring back regional football, below the Championship...eg League 1 North & South.
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Post by Wimbo on May 9, 2020 17:23:27 GMT
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