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Post by shatter2 on Mar 18, 2023 9:49:32 GMT
We travel to North East today for our match with the Black Cats. They've slipped back of late after a very good start while we've maintained our excellent push for promotion. Would liked to have gone myself but the rail strike has put an end to that ambition. Anyway for those traveling safe journey and hope for another good Town result. COYH! Sunderland Trivia. Over the past years in this section one of the best contributions has come from Alan Adair sadly his input will be missing from now on. RIP Luton Loyal. I checked on Wiki what the nickname of Sunderland was and found they had more than one. The Coal Cats, The Black Cats, The Lads and from the days before the Stadium of Light ,The Rokerites and The Roker Men.  |
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Post by 8two on Mar 18, 2023 11:05:24 GMT
An interesting logo whose elements are not all obvious. Isn't copy and paste wonderful? The club was founded by the teacher James Allan in 1879. There was an appropriate title, “Teachers of Sunderland and the surrounding area.” The monument of Penshaw as an element of the Sunderland logo expresses the support of fellow countrymen far beyond the city limits. This monument is dedicated to the British John Lambton, who became the first Governor-General of United Canada in 1838. Penshaw, the name of the area, is translated as “wooded hill.” According to a legend, once upon a time, there lived a huge worm that devoured not only cattle but also people as long as the crusader, called John Lambton, did not cope with the dangerous creature. The football club borrowed lions from the city emblem of Sunderland. However, the team nickname is different – black cats. This was the name of the artillery battery, located in the local area at the beginning of the XIX century. The club nickname was fixed in 1937 when 12-year-old fan Billy Morris brought a black kitten in his pocket at the FA Cup final with Preston. The wheel depicted on the Sunderland logo is a tribute to the miner’s traditions of the city. The club “Stadium of Light” was built just when one of the largest coal mining enterprises in the region was located until 1993. The phrase “Consectatio Excellentiae” on the Sunderland logo means “striving for excellence.” The Wearmouth Bridge is located in the right lower corner of the logo shield, connects the north and south of the 175-thousandth Sunderland. It was opened in 1929 by the Duke of York, the future King George VI.  Anyway 1955 and Luton 8 vs Sunderland 2 and their logo then was:  |
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Post by hatterinSW19 on Mar 18, 2023 11:09:13 GMT
We're pretty good at the moment at turning records around but today's a real biggie, not having won away at Sunderland since 1973... Our current away form is better than their current home form, but I still feel a point would be a good return today. Like shatter I've been defeated by the rail strike for this one  |
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Post by 8two on Mar 18, 2023 14:01:09 GMT
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Post by shatter2 on Mar 18, 2023 14:38:58 GMT
Thanks Liz great trivia. Dawn records are there to be broken.
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Post by 8two on Mar 18, 2023 17:27:07 GMT
I suppose it shows just how far we have come to be a tad disappointed with only a point in front of 36,000 home fans at Sunderland.
Was it a penalty, seems strange that the referee looked for advice from a raised flag that wasn't available but was when he decided to verbally ask. One major fault, these days, more noticeable than ever, is that linesmen are loath to raise their flags for anything other than throw-ins and offsides.
MoM for me, probably Lockyer, possibly Doughty and I do wish that Bell after beating two players would consider passing the ball rather than constantly over-running it.
Oh and Watfraud are down to 10th, 9 points behind Luton.
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Post by dubaihatter on Mar 18, 2023 20:14:21 GMT
I suppose it shows just how far we have come to be a tad disappointed with only a point in front of 36,000 home fans at Sunderland. Was it a penalty, seems strange that the referee looked for advice from a raised flag that wasn't available but was when he decided to verbally ask. One major fault, these days, more noticeable than ever, is that linesmen are loath to raise their flags for anything other than throw-ins and offsides. MoM for me, probably Lockyer, possibly Doughty and I do wish that Bell after beating two players would consider passing the ball rather than constantly over-running it. Oh and Watfraud are down to 10th, 9 points behind Luton. The ref worried me when I saw him appointed. He has done FL trophy and Lg 1 and 11 Lg 2 games and never a championship game. Never. So today he gets the top champ game in front of a partisan audience. Hence his perplexed reaction to the pen claim in front of a hostile large crowd he has never witnessed before. Great result and another great team effort. |
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Post by rutlandhatter on Mar 19, 2023 19:33:12 GMT
Ref clearly not up to it and Bell wasn't even close to the player when he went down. A farce all round if you ask me and I'm still upset about it. Still, had a nice couple of days in Newcastle. Very relaxing really. My MoM was Lockyer. My other half thinks other clubs will come sniffing. When's his contract up?
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Post by proudhattersince74 on Mar 19, 2023 20:22:37 GMT
First things first, I don't believe we deserved to win but, having been gifted a goal, we certainly didn't deserve to lose two points to such an incompetent and ridiculous decision. I just typed "decision" but meant "guesswork" as I don't actually believe either the referee nor linesman knew what actually happened.
The referee had a relatively decent and better view than the lino, so much so that he even signalling "no" before having his tiny mind manipulated and changed for some inexplicable reason. Hopefully the assessor's report will make it all the more likely that he referees L2 matches or local Sunday park games for a while.
I hate to question the neutrality of the officials as it's a job that very few would stand the accompanying abuse that they get from players, crowds and managers alike ... but I do wonder if Luton fans 'endeared' themselves to the lino in question when the ditty, "Lino, Lino, you're a ****; Lino, you're a ****" was blasted out after he missed a Mackam blatantly taking the ball out of play yet didn't see it when he was only 10 yards away FFS! Luton fans had the vantage point of being able to look down the same line as the lino and went up as one when he didn't flag for a Luton throw.
In mitigation for the lino, he was merely following the lead given to him by the referee: the latter was awarding free kicks like confetti at a wedding every time a Mackam decided to rest his weary body on the ground after being challenged. Yet there were far rougher incidents involving Adebayo and Morris where judo throws still wouldn't have bought us free kicks.
No we didn't deserve three points but those two may be massive at the end of the season. Thank you, EFL, for appointing a greenhorn referee at this stage of the season when the relegation and promotion battlers deserve the best officials available.
If it's right that the decisions balance out over a season then we are due some really big ones in our remaining games to make up for some of the most recent ones against us!
As for the match, it was of very poor standard from both teams. Both looked like they didn't really want to be there after their previous exertions and there was no spark in the legs even if the minds were sharp enough to tell them where to run and pass.
Apart from Eli's one-legged scarecrow imitation at last season's Huddersfield PO semi-final, I cannot recall him having a poorer game - absolutely nothing would stick to his boots. Although he was the one fouled for the free kick resulting in our goal.
I thought we lost some momentum when Berry came off but then gifted our left flank to their overlapping runners when Doughty exited stage right for Fred's arrival. I appreciate that it sometimes takes time for subs to get up to speed but Fred was so far off of what we needed - he didn't make tackles, didn't close down crosses, was unable to make any impact on us going forward, lined up 2 yards behind the rest of our defence for one of their free kicks and was caught ball-watching twice instead of marking, one of which he had no idea whatsoever that a Mackam was behind him and let the ball run past him - fortunately, it just (only just) went out of play before the cross came back into the box. TBH, I would have thought Burke would be the 'go to' sub when Doughty went off - moving Bell to LB. Fred ain't a defender!
At least we didn't lose despite being (understandably) shattered from about 70 minutes. Plus, Boro apart, other results didn't go against us.
COYH
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